And if Haldir was alive during the 1st age or 2nd age. he was named after the first age hurin. The same thing would have happened to Durin's Bane, and its spirit would have survived.

Once his forces arrive on the Pelennor Fields, he orders the heads of the dead soldiers in Osgiliath to be launched off the catapults, to instill fear into the hearts of Gondor's soldiers and to lower their morale. ", He should probably be anywhere from strength 22-25. Powered by Jinn. Gothmog must have been very powerful as he must have surpassed Khamuls level. Great Spiders: Shelob | Ungoliant He serves in Sauron's army during the War of the Ring, as the lieutenant of Minas Morgul, second-in-command to the Witch-king of Angmar, lord of the nine Nazgûl. While Gothmog does not appear again in the film after Rohan's cavalry charge, in a deleted scene of the film he reappears intending to kill Éowyn but he is killed by Aragon and Gimli. He could also be an Orc or some other evil spirit that has taken shape. Alfrid Lickspittle | Due to that he has no direct damage abilities but plays the role of a support hero. He was the Lord of the Balrogs during the First Age of Middle-earth. His twilight cost is 20 because he is stronger than Sauron, and he is just a tad ridiculous. Gothmog was loyal to Sauron and his servant, the Witch King of Angmar, following his commands. Gothmog is a major antagonist in The Lord of the Rings trilogy, serving as a major antagonist of The Return of the King.

Is it possible that one of them could have been tamed by Sauron and renamed into Gothmog? Like all Mordor Orcs, Gothmog despised the race of Men, wishing to wipe them out and have Orcs reign supreme instead. By the way, great idea. He was portrayed by Lawrence Makoare (who also portrays the Witch-King of Angmar, Lurtz, and Bolg) and was voiced by Craig Parker. Though Tolkien doesn't specify the race Gothmog of the Third Age belonged to, I've always assumed that whatever he was, it wasn't an Orc. Please re-enable javascript to access full functionality. A wily commander and fearsome fighter, Gothmog was often accompanied by others of his fiery kind, and at least in the Nirnaeth he had a personal guard of dozens of Trolls.His weapon was a great black axe.

also there is a second steward named hurin, other names from the sil from the line of stewards include a Barahir, a Beren, two Turins, and a Hador. Unfortunately, the movie doesn't go into much detail about what a Balrog is. Graphics by ShadySaiyan and Whatface. Community Forum Software by IP.BoardLicensed to: Revora Association. Those who don't know much about Tolkien need to read about the War of Wrath. During the assault on the city, Ecthelion of the Fountain fought Gothmog… He could be named after the balrog. Gothmog is a major antagonist in The Lord of the Rings trilogy, serving as a major antagonist of The Return of the King.

Gothmog is a lieutenant for Mordor's forces and not the same as the Balrog killed by Ecthelion. Maeglin | Celegorm | Those that were not killed hid deep within the Earth. I also have a hard time believing that a Balrog would be serving under the Witch-king of Angmar. Gothmog the orc was probably named after Gothmog the Balrog, the same way as Grond the siege engine was named after Grond, Morgoth's weapon. Like in the real world tolkien repeats names especially among royal or noble families.Look how many Edwards, Georges, and Henry's have been king of england. Gothmog's race is unknown in the books, but he is assumed in all media to be an Orc or related person. Gothmog eventually died at the hands of Ecthelion during the Fall of Gondolin. https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Gothmog_(Lieutenant_of_Morgul)?oldid=3923208, It is possible that he was named after the. Yeah, cuz i was wondering as you said a orc has nil intelligents so he could have been on one of the ships that fled when Numenor (the island) was flooded. Edited by clank234, 22 January 2011 - 06:49 PM. The troops of Gondor retreated, leaving behind they're wounded, one of whom is Madril, the badly-wounded captain of the Ithilien rangers, whom Gothmog kills with another orc underling's spear, proclaiming to his troops triumphantly that now Orcs would rise to dominance over Men. restoring quotetags after forum upgrade.

In The Book of Lost Tales Part Two, Christopher Tolkien says, "The early conception of Balrogs makes them less terrible, and certainly more destructible, than they afterwards became: they existed in 'hundreds'.". boromir and faramirs mother shares her name with a noldorian elf princess whose father was Orodreth and depending on which geneaology for Gil Galad you use was either Gil-galads sister or cousin. But the movie interpretation is legitimate. He is an Orc commander who works for Sauron, and leads the armies of Mordor against Minas Tirith in the Battle of Pelennor Fields, alongside the Witch-King of Angmar, Sauron's most trusted lieutenant.

History. However, it was eventually roused by the Dwarves in the Third Age as they were mining for mithril in Moria. Edited by Matias, 22 January 2011 - 01:24 PM. Melkor was the first Dark Lord of Eä (the name for Tolkien's fictional universe), and he was the predecessor of Sauron. You have Gandalf reading the scary story from the Book of Mazarbul. Gothmog must have been very powerful as he must have surpassed Khamuls level. Because they're different characters. Wipe out the entire race of Men (failed).Serve his master and help him conquer Middle-Earth (failed). He is also an experienced leader, being well capable of managing to strategize and employ tactics effectively such as knowing of and calling for Grond to destroy the gate of Minas Tirith and using the water to take Osgiliath, both of which were successful. I undestand about Gothmog now but instead of making a new topic for a new question, i have some new questions about the Palantir. In the Extended Edition, he is shown to have survived the onslaught and duels Éowyn, who gains the upper hand and wounds his leg. Gothmog, High Captain of Angband, is not the Gothmog the Orc (Orc in the film, unclear for books). This day we fight! Tolkien. He fought many battles in the name of his master Morgoth, and was personally responsible for killing two of the High Kings of the Ñoldor. There are cases to be made for Gothmog possibly being an evil Man like the Mouth of Sauron. All that matters is that you are here!". Werewolves: Carcharoth So, hundreds, or just seven?

There's Ecthelion of the Fountain back in the Gondolin days, and Denethor, Steward of Gondor, was son of Ecthelion. Tolkien writes nothing else about Gothmog not even what race of beings he belonged to.

Master of Laketown | other names that get repeated from the silmarillion especially in the names of then line of the stewards of gondor. The Balrogs aren't just known as the Balrogs. You currently have javascript disabled. Gothmog is a fictional character from J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle-earth legendarium. I have to find out the best option for whatever he is. Maybe you're here because deep down, you want to be here. They can freely alter their physical forms, and Gandalf took the form of an Istari - which is a fancy Tolkien word for "wizard.". However, it managed to survive, and like many of the other Balrog survivors, it dug its way underground. © 2011 Revora Association. He could also be an Orc or some other evil spirit that has taken shape. Gothmog during the siege on Minas Tirith. All orcs feared them.

He possibly could have been a victim of the morgul blade of one of the nazgul. I was reading the Thain book and red about the Blue Wizards, we were never told about their fate and they never returned to the Undying lands. the one who took command of some of Saurons forces at the battle of the Pelennor Fields; I've added a subtitle to the topic accordingly.

Tolkien only briefly mentions him once or twice in the book, so it's unclear whether he is an orc, Nazgul, or something else. RELATED: 10 Amazing Special Effects That Were Actually Made For Cheap. However, Christopher also claims that he found a note from Tolkien in one of his margins which read, "There should not be supposed more than say 3 or at most 7 ever existed." While the Witch-King watches the battle from afar, Gothmog responds to threats directly. He was given the title Lord of the Balrogs, and he fought (and won) many battles for his master.

Of course, the spelling can change dramatically, and they are also known as Valaraukar, Valarauco, Valaraucar.

The number of minions you can spot maybe? They just have the same name, they're nothing to do with each other. Unfortunately, they were corrupted by Melkor. Or is the most important aspect for you 'applied lore', i.e. Mission: Impossible 7: 5 Characters That Should Return (& 5 That Should Stay Gone), Lord Of The Rings: 10 Facts About The Balrog From The Books The Movies Leave Out, Lord Of The Rings 10 Characters From The Books The Movies Leaves Out, Lord Of The Rings: 10 Middle-Earth-Related Facts About The Cast, 10 Amazing Special Effects That Were Actually Made For Cheap, given a new corporeal body - Gandalf the White, 10 The Lord Of The Rings Tattoos Only True Fans Will Understand.

Gothmog is a lieutenant for Mordor's forces and not the same as the Balrog killed by Ecthelion. He's significantly stronger than. However, we're here to help.

Leaders: Morgoth | Sauron | Saruman

More credits... Both are "maiar," which are essentially spirits that helped Valar create the world.

We know next to nothing about Gothmog, so don’t take my view here as some hidden truth that I’ve discovered. These interesting facts about Balrogs taken from J.R.R. But Sauron chose them wisely i'm sure. Maybe you're here because you have nowhere else to go. Dark Armies This name too means "Power Demon," as "vala" is "power," and "rauco" is "demon." [Twilight Cost 12] Gothmog, Lord of Balrogs (Sauron culture, I suppose), "Alas, poor Yorrick. In another Elvin language, called Quenya, the Balrog is known as "Valarauko." All i know is where the Palantirs lived. He killed an important elf named Fëanor, he captured Maedhros the Tall, fought in both the Battle of the Sudden Flame and the Battle of the Unnumbered Tears. I mean the earlier balrog. Can bear Whip of Many Thongs and/or Flaming Sword. "Durin" is the name of a long line of kingly Dwarves. Which is more terrifying to you? You have the cave troll fight. There are cases to be made for Gothmog possibly being an evil Man like the Mouth of Sauron. Do you want it answered only in relation to lore proper? Hi i was reading something about Gothmog and found that he wasn't an orc, he was the Balrog leader of Angband. Several functions may not work. restoring quote-tags after forum upgrade. Edited by Námo, 24 January 2011 - 07:28 PM. His fate is not described, although it is strongly implied that he and almost all of the servants of Sauron that fought before the gates of Minas Tirith were killed. So maybe being able to play him for reduced twilight would be good? Peter Jackson took some liberties when it came to the appearance of the Balrog. He is an Orc commander who works for Sauron, and leads the armies of Mordor against Minas Tirith in the Battle of Pelennor Fields, alongside the Witch-King of Angmar, Sauron's most trusted lieutenant. The Moria sequence from The Fellowship of the Ring is arguably the most exciting sequence in the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy. He is even tough on his own men, not allowing them to evade catapulted rubble and pushing one away when trying to help him. The other answers saying that it’s probably not the case are arguably correct. He killed an important elf named Fëanor, he captured Maedhros the Tall, fought in both the Battle of the Sudden Flame and the Battle of the Unnumbered Tears. Shadow and Flame BETA 0.6 RELEASED - Link. Edited by Námo, 09 February 2011 - … 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.